Last week in the Kinderseminar I talked about a rough estimate on volumes of certain hyperbolic 3-manifolds. This time I will describe a different approach for similar estimates (you will not need to remember that talk, don't worry!), which is, in some sense, complementary to that one, as it regards mapping tori. A theorem of Jeffrey Brock provides bounds for their volume in terms of how the monodromy map acts on the pants graph (a relative of the better known curve complex) of the base surface. I will describe the setting and the relevance of this result (in particular the one it has for me); hopefully, I will also tell you part of its proof.